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|| Sep || 9 || 8.00am || KayeMackinnon || || || JonathanChong AlisonClarkson ||
|| Sep || 9 || 9.15am || SueMorgan || JohnHurst || || ||
|| Sep || 9 || 11.00am || BarbaraKrieger || JanClear || || ||
|| Sep || 9 || 4.30pm || BelindaClear || || || ||
|| Sep || 9 || 7.00pm || KayeMorgan || || || ||
|| Sep || 16 || 8.00am || RossMackinnon || || || JohnHurst AlisonClarkson ||
|| Sep || 16 || 9.15am || JonathanChong || JohnHurst || || ||
|| Sep || 16 || 11.00am || ShirleyHarding || MarjorieBedford || BeverlyMcGlead JanClear GeraldineFleming || ||
|| Sep || 16 || 4.30pm || HeatherHon || || || ||
|| Sep || 16 || 7.00pm || GailIrvine || || || ||
|| Sep || 23 || 8.00am || LoisHosking || || || AlisonClarkson ||
|| Sep || 23 || 9.15am || [[GaelOBrien]] || IanMcMillan || || MargaretFraser ||
|| Sep || 23 || 11.00am || KenDevos || SueMorgan || || ||
|| Sep || 23 || 4.30pm || BelindaChung || || || ||
|| Sep || 23 || 7.00pm || DougNewberry || || || ||
|| Sep || 30 || 10.00am || JonathanChong || || MichaelPatterson JudyLowe GlennLaub BarbaraKrieger || JitTan AlisonClarkson LaurelMuir ||
||<-7:> '''The following allocations are tentative. Please check and confirm your availability.<<BR>>Add your name in the last column if you are unavailable on any particular Sunday'''||
|| Oct || 7 || 8.00am || KayeMackinnon || || || MargaretDuncan AlisonClarkson ||
|| Oct || 7 || 9.15am || GraemeFrecker || LaurelMuir || JitTan BeverlyMcGlead SueMorgan [[GaelOBrien]] || MargaretFraser ||
|| Oct || 7 || 11.00am || BevRichardson || MarjorieBedford || || ||
|| Oct || 7 || 4.30pm || MarkEaston || || || ||
|| Oct || 7 || 7.00pm || JohnHurst || || || ||
|| Oct || 14 || 8.00am || RossMackinnon || || || MargaretDuncan AlisonClarkson ||
|| Oct || 14 || 9.15am || MargaretFraser || IanMcMillan || || ||
|| Oct || 14 || 11.00am || ShirleyHarding || GraemeFrecker || || ||
|| Oct || 14 || 4.30pm || HeatherHon || || || ||
|| Oct || 14 || 7.00pm || KayeMorgan || || || ||
|| Oct || 21 || 8.00am || LoisHosking || || || MargaretDuncan AlisonClarkson ||
|| Oct || 21 || 9.15am || LaurelMuir || JonathanChong || || ||
|| Oct || 21 || 11.00am || GeraldineFleming || BeverlyMcGlead || KenDevos BarbaraKrieger DougNewberry || ||
|| Oct || 21 || 4.30pm || BelindaChung || || || ||
|| Oct || 21 || 7.00pm || GailIrvine || || || ||
|| Oct || 28 || 8.00am || MargaretDuncan || || || JanClear AlisonClarkson ||
|| Oct || 28 || 9.15am || MichaelPatterson || JitTan || || MargaretFraser SueMorgan ||
|| Oct || 28 || 11.00am || BevRichardson || MarjorieBedford || || ||
|| Oct || 28 || 4.30pm || BelindaClear || || || ||
|| Oct || 28 || 7.00pm || JohnHurst || || || ||
|| Nov || 4 || 8.00am || KayeMackinnon || || || JanClear IanMcMillan LaurelMuir SueMorgan ||
|| Nov || 4 || 9.15am || JudyLowe || GlennLaub || MargaretFraser [[GaelOBrien]] GraemeFrecker KayeMorgan || ||
|| Nov || 4 || 11.00am || ShirleyHarding || GeraldineFleming || || ||		 || Nov || 4 || 8.00am || KayeMackinnon || || || JanClear IanMcMillan LaurelMuir ||
|| Nov || 4 || 9.15am || GlennLaub || [[GaelOBrien]] || GraemeFrecker JitTan JonathanChong HeatherHon || MargaretFraser SueMorgan ||
|| Nov || 4 || 11.00am || ShirleyHarding || GeraldineFleming || || BevRichardson ||
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|| Nov || 11 || 8.00am || MargaretDuncan || || || ||
|| Nov || 11 || 9.15am || IanMcMillan || JanClear || || MargaretFraser SueMorgan ||
|| Nov || 11 || 11.00am || BeverlyMcGlead || KenDevos || || ||
|| Nov || 11 || 4.30pm || HeatherHon || || || ||
|| Nov || 11 || 7.00pm || DougNewberry || || || ||
|| Nov || 18 || 8.00am || RossMackinnon || || || JonathanChong ||
|| Nov || 18 || 9.15am || SueMorgan || LaurelMuir || || MargaretFraser ||
|| Nov || 18 || 11.00am || BarbaraKrieger || BevRichardson || ShirleyHarding MarjorieBedford JohnHurst || ||		 || Nov || 11 || 8.00am || MargaretDuncan || || || BevRichardson ||
|| Nov || 11 || 9.15am || MichaelPatterson || JudyLowe || || MargaretFraser SueMorgan ||
|| Nov || 11 || 11.00am || BarbaraKrieger || KenDevos || || ||
|| Nov || 11 || 4.30pm || MarkEaston || || || ||
|| Nov || 11 || 7.00pm || BelindaClear || || || ||
|| Nov || 18 || 8.00am || RossMackinnon || || || JonathanChong BevRichardson ||
|| Nov || 18 || 9.15am || BeverlyMcGlead || SueMorgan || || MargaretFraser ||
|| Nov || 18 || 11.00am || GraemeFrecker || JanClear || DougNewberry ShirleyHarding MarjorieBedford || ||
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|| Nov || 18 || 7.00pm || BelindaClear || || || ||
|| Nov || 25 || 8.00am || LoisHosking || || ||               JonathanChong ||
|| Nov || 25 || 9.15am || MichaelPatterson || JitTan || || ||
|| Nov || 25 || 11.00am || MargaretDuncan || GraemeFrecker || || ||		 || Nov || 18 || 7.00pm ||   KayeMorgan || || || ||
|| Nov || 25 || 8.00am || LoisHosking || || || JonathanChong BevRichardson ||
|| Nov || 25 || 9.15am ||   MargaretFraser || IanMcMillan || || ||
|| Nov || 25 || 11.00am || BeverlyMcGlead || GeraldineFleming || || ||
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|| Nov || 25 || 7.00pm || KayeMorgan || || || ||
|| Dec || 2 || 8.00am || KayeMackinnon || || || JonathanChong ||
|| Dec || 2 || 9.15am || JudyLowe || GlennLaub || MargaretFraser SueMorgan [[GaelOBrien]] IanMcMillan || ||
|| Dec || 2 || 11.00am || JanClear || GeraldineFleming || || ||		 || Nov || 25 || 7.00pm || GailIrvine || || || ||
||<-7:> '''The following allocations are tentative. Please check and confirm your availability.<<BR>>Add your name in the last column if you are unavailable on any particular Sunday'''||
|| Dec || 2 || 8.00am || KayeMackinnon || || || JonathanChong BevRichardson IanMcMillan ||
|| Dec || 2 || 9.15am || GlennLaub || JitTan || MichaelPatterson JudyLowe [[GaelOBrien]] SueMorgan || LaurelMuir ||
|| Dec || 2 || 11.00am || BarbaraKrieger || GraemeFrecker || || ||
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|| Dec || 2 || 7.00pm ||   GailIrvine || || || ||
|| Dec || 9 || 8.00am ||  RossMackinnon || || || JonathanChong ||
|| Dec || 9 || 9.15am || LaurelMuir || BeverlyMcGlead || || ||
|| Dec || 9 || 11.00am || KenDevos || DougNewberry || || ||		 || Dec || 2 || 7.00pm || BelindaClear || || || ||
|| Dec || 9 || 8.00am || MargaretDuncan || || || JonathanChong ||
|| Dec || 9 || 9.15am || LaurelMuir || MargaretFraser || || ||
|| Dec || 9 || 11.00am || BevRichardson || KenDevos ||                                            || ||
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|| Dec || 9 || 7.00pm || BelindaClear || || || ||
|| Dec || 16 || 8.00am ||   LoisHosking || || || ||
|| Dec || 16 || 9.15am || JonathanChong || MichaelPatterson || || ||
|| Dec || 16 || 11.00am || BarbaraKrieger || BevRichardson || ShirleyHarding MarjorieBedford JohnHurst || ||		 || Dec || 9 || 7.00pm || DougNewberry || || || ||
|| Dec || 16 || 8.00am || RossMackinnon || || || BevRichardson ||
|| Dec || 16 || 9.15am ||   IanMcMillan || JonathanChong || || ||
|| Dec || 16 || 11.00am || BeverlyMcGlead || JohnHurst || ShirleyHarding MarjorieBedford JanClear || ||
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|| Dec || 23 || 8.00am || KayeMackinnon || || || ||
|| Dec || 23 || 9.15am || JitTan || JonathanChong || || ||
|| Dec || 23 || 11.00am || MargaretDuncan || GraemeFrecker || || ||		 || Dec || 23 || 8.00am || LoisHosking || || || ||
|| Dec || 23 || 9.15am || GlennLaub || LaurelMuir || || JitTan ||
|| Dec || 23 || 11.00am || BevRichardson || GeraldineFleming || || ||
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|| Dec || 30 || 10.00am || JudyLowe || GlennLaub || MargaretFraser SueMorgan [[GaelOBrien]] IanMcMillan ||            || || Dec || 30 || 10.00am ||   JitTan || MichaelPatterson || JudyLowe [[GaelOBrien]] SueMorgan BarbaraKrieger || IanMcMillan MargaretFraser ||
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|| Jan || 6 || 10.00am || JanClear || RossMackinnon || GeraldineFleming LaurelMuir BeverlyMcGlead KenDevos || ||
|| Jan || 13 || 10.00am || LoisHosking || BelindaChung || || ||
|| Jan || 20 || 10.00am || DougNewberry || MichaelPatterson || BarbaraKrieger BelindaClear JitTan BevRichardson || ||
|| Jan || 27 || 10.00am || JonathanChong || JudyLowe || || ||		 || Jan || 6 || 10.00am || KayeMackinnon || MargaretDuncan || MargaretFraser IanMcMillan RossMackinnon GraemeFrecker || MargaretFraser ||
|| Jan || 13 || 10.00am || JonathanChong || KenDevos || || ||
|| Jan || 20 || 10.00am || GlennLaub || BelindaClear || BelindaChung LoisHosking DougNewberry LaurelMuir || ||
|| Jan || 27 || 10.00am || BeverlyMcGlead || JohnHurst || || ||
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|| Feb || 3 || 9.15am || GlennLaub || JohnHurst || MargaretFraser GraemeFrecker SueMorgan [[GaelOBrien]] || || || Feb || 3 || 9.15am ||    JitTan ||  JanClear || KayeMorgan MichaelPatterson JudyLowe [[GaelOBrien]] || ||
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|| Feb || 3 || 7.00pm || KayeMorgan || || || || || Feb || 3 || 7.00pm || GailIrvine || || || ||
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|| Feb || 10 || 9.15am || IanMcMillan || HeatherHon || || ||
|| Feb || 10 || 11.00am || JanClear || GeraldineFleming || || ||
|| Feb || 10 || 4.30pm || GailIrvine || || || ||
|| Feb || 10 || 7.00pm || DougNewberry || || || ||		 || Feb || 10 || 9.15am || SueMorgan || GeraldineFleming || || ||
|| Feb || 10 || 11.00am || BevRichardson || GraemeFrecker || || ||
|| Feb || 10 || 4.30pm || HeatherHon || || || ||
|| Feb || 10 || 7.00pm || BelindaClear || || || ||
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|| Feb || 17 || 9.15am || LaurelMuir || BeverlyMcGlead || || ||
|| Feb || 17 || 11.00am || KenDevos || BevRichardson || BarbaraKrieger ShirleyHarding MarjorieBedford || ||		 || Feb || 17 || 9.15am || BarbaraKrieger || MargaretFraser || || ||
|| Feb || 17 || 11.00am || KenDevos || DougNewberry || BeverlyMcGlead JohnHurst ShirleyHarding || ||
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|| Feb || 17 || 7.00pm || BelindaClear || || || || || Feb || 17 || 7.00pm ||   KayeMorgan || || || ||
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|| Feb || 24 || 9.15am || MichaelPatterson || JitTan || || ||
|| Feb || 24 || 11.00am ||   GraemeFrecker || JohnHurst || || ||		 || Feb || 24 || 9.15am ||      IanMcMillan || JonathanChong || || ||
|| Feb || 24 || 11.00am || MarjorieBedford || JanClear || || ||
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|| Feb || 24 || 7.00pm || KayeMorgan || || || || || Feb || 24 || 7.00pm || GailIrvine || || || ||
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|| Mar || 3 || 9.15am || JonathanChong || JudyLowe || GlennLaub MargaretFraser SueMorgan [[GaelOBrien]] || ||
|| Mar || 3 || 11.00am || MargaretDuncan || JanClear || || ||		 || Mar || 3 || 9.15am || GlennLaub || LaurelMuir || JitTan MichaelPatterson JudyLowe [[GaelOBrien]] || ||
|| Mar || 3 || 11.00am || BevRichardson || GeraldineFleming || || ||
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|| Mar || 3 || 7.00pm ||   GailIrvine || || || ||
|| Mar || 10 || 8.00am ||  RossMackinnon || || || ||
|| Mar || 10 || 9.15am || IanMcMillan || GeraldineFleming || || ||
|| Mar || 10 || 11.00am || BeverlyMcGlead || KenDevos || || ||		 || Mar || 3 || 7.00pm || BelindaClear || || || ||
|| Mar || 10 || 8.00am || MargaretDuncan || || || ||
|| Mar || 10 || 9.15am ||   SueMorgan || MargaretFraser || || ||
|| Mar || 10 || 11.00am || BarbaraKrieger || GraemeFrecker || || ||
Line 122: Line 86:
|| Mar || 17 || 8.00am ||   LoisHosking || || || ||
|| Mar || 17 || 9.15am ||  LaurelMuir || MichaelPatterson || || ||
|| Mar || 17 || 11.00am || BarbaraKrieger || BevRichardson || ShirleyHarding MarjorieBedford JohnHurst || ||
|| Mar || 17 || 4.30pm || BelindaClear || || || ||		 || Mar || 17 || 8.00am || RossMackinnon || || || ||
|| Mar || 17 || 9.15am || IanMcMillan || JonathanChong || || ||
|| Mar || 17 || 11.00am ||       KenDevos || BeverlyMcGlead || JohnHurst ShirleyHarding MarjorieBedford || ||
|| Mar || 17 || 4.30pm ||   MarkEaston || || || ||
Line 127: Line 91:
|| Mar || 24 || 8.00am || KayeMackinnon || || || ||
|| Mar || 24 || 9.15am ||    JitTan || JonathanChong || || ||
|| Mar || 24 || 11.00am || GraemeFrecker || JanClear || || ||
|| Mar || 24 || 4.30pm || MarkEaston || || || ||
|| Mar || 24 || 7.00pm ||   GailIrvine || || || ||
|| Mar || 31 || 10.00am || JudyLowe || GlennLaub || MargaretFraser SueMorgan [[GaelOBrien]] MargaretDuncan || ||
|| Apr || 7 || 8.00am ||  RossMackinnon || || || ||
|| Apr || 7 || 9.15am || HeatherHon ||          IanMcMillan || GeraldineFleming BeverlyMcGlead LaurelMuir DougNewberry || ||
|| Apr || 7 || 11.00am || KenDevos || BevRichardson || || ||		 || Mar || 24 || 8.00am ||   LoisHosking || || || ||
|| Mar || 24 || 9.15am || GlennLaub || LaurelMuir || || ||
|| Mar || 24 || 11.00am || JanClear || BevRichardson || || ||
|| Mar || 24 || 4.30pm || GailIrvine || || || ||
|| Mar || 24 || 7.00pm || BelindaClear || || || ||
|| Mar || 31 || 10.00am ||       JitTan || MichaelPatterson || JudyLowe [[GaelOBrien]] KayeMackinnon SueMorgan || ||
|| Apr || 7 || 8.00am || MargaretDuncan || || || ||
|| Apr || 7 || 9.15am || GeraldineFleming || HeatherHon || BarbaraKrieger MargaretFraser GraemeFrecker IanMcMillan ||                                ||
|| Apr || 7 || 11.00am || KenDevos || DougNewberry ||                     || ||
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|| Apr || 7 || 7.00pm || BelindaClear || || || || || Apr || 7 || 7.00pm ||    JohnHurst || || || ||
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Current Elders Roster

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DATE

TIME

WELCOMING ELDERS

VESTRY

COMMUNION

UNAVAILABLE

Please arrange your own swaps if you need to change any roster in the next 4 weeks.

Nov

4

8.00am

KayeMackinnon

JanClear IanMcMillan LaurelMuir

Nov

4

9.15am

GlennLaub

GaelOBrien

GraemeFrecker JitTan JonathanChong HeatherHon

MargaretFraser SueMorgan

Nov

4

11.00am

ShirleyHarding

GeraldineFleming

BevRichardson

Nov

4

4.30pm

MarkEaston

Nov

4

7.00pm

GailIrvine

Nov

11

8.00am

MargaretDuncan

BevRichardson

Nov

11

9.15am

MichaelPatterson

JudyLowe

MargaretFraser SueMorgan

Nov

11

11.00am

BarbaraKrieger

KenDevos

Nov

11

4.30pm

MarkEaston

Nov

11

7.00pm

BelindaClear

Nov

18

8.00am

RossMackinnon

JonathanChong BevRichardson

Nov

18

9.15am

BeverlyMcGlead

SueMorgan

MargaretFraser

Nov

18

11.00am

GraemeFrecker

JanClear

DougNewberry ShirleyHarding MarjorieBedford

Nov

18

4.30pm

BelindaChung

Nov

18

7.00pm

KayeMorgan

Nov

25

8.00am

LoisHosking

JonathanChong BevRichardson

Nov

25

9.15am

MargaretFraser

IanMcMillan

Nov

25

11.00am

BeverlyMcGlead

GeraldineFleming

Nov

25

4.30pm

MarkEaston

Nov

25

7.00pm

GailIrvine

The following allocations are tentative. Please check and confirm your availability.
Add your name in the last column if you are unavailable on any particular Sunday

Dec

2

8.00am

KayeMackinnon

JonathanChong BevRichardson IanMcMillan

Dec

2

9.15am

GlennLaub

JitTan

MichaelPatterson JudyLowe GaelOBrien SueMorgan

LaurelMuir

Dec

2

11.00am

BarbaraKrieger

GraemeFrecker

Dec

2

4.30pm

HeatherHon

Dec

2

7.00pm

BelindaClear

Dec

9

8.00am

MargaretDuncan

JonathanChong

Dec

9

9.15am

LaurelMuir

MargaretFraser

Dec

9

11.00am

BevRichardson

KenDevos

Dec

9

4.30pm

BelindaChung

Dec

9

7.00pm

DougNewberry

Dec

16

8.00am

RossMackinnon

BevRichardson

Dec

16

9.15am

IanMcMillan

JonathanChong

Dec

16

11.00am

BeverlyMcGlead

JohnHurst

ShirleyHarding MarjorieBedford JanClear

Dec

16

4.30pm

MarkEaston

Dec

16

7.00pm

KayeMorgan

Dec

23

8.00am

LoisHosking

Dec

23

9.15am

GlennLaub

LaurelMuir

JitTan

Dec

23

11.00am

BevRichardson

GeraldineFleming

Dec

23

4.30pm

HeatherHon

Dec

23

7.00pm

GailIrvine

Dec

30

10.00am

JitTan

MichaelPatterson

JudyLowe GaelOBrien SueMorgan BarbaraKrieger

IanMcMillan MargaretFraser

2013

Jan

6

10.00am

KayeMackinnon

MargaretDuncan

MargaretFraser IanMcMillan RossMackinnon GraemeFrecker

MargaretFraser

Jan

13

10.00am

JonathanChong

KenDevos

Jan

20

10.00am

GlennLaub

BelindaClear

BelindaChung LoisHosking DougNewberry LaurelMuir

Jan

27

10.00am

BeverlyMcGlead

JohnHurst

Feb

3

8.00am

KayeMackinnon

MargaretDuncan

Feb

3

9.15am

JitTan

JanClear

KayeMorgan MichaelPatterson JudyLowe GaelOBrien

Feb

3

11.00am

ShirleyHarding

MarjorieBedford

Feb

3

4.30pm

MarkEaston

Feb

3

7.00pm

GailIrvine

Feb

10

8.00am

MargaretDuncan

Feb

10

9.15am

SueMorgan

GeraldineFleming

Feb

10

11.00am

BevRichardson

GraemeFrecker

Feb

10

4.30pm

HeatherHon

Feb

10

7.00pm

BelindaClear

Feb

17

8.00am

RossMackinnon

Feb

17

9.15am

BarbaraKrieger

MargaretFraser

Feb

17

11.00am

KenDevos

DougNewberry

BeverlyMcGlead JohnHurst ShirleyHarding

Feb

17

4.30pm

BelindaChung

Feb

17

7.00pm

KayeMorgan

Feb

24

8.00am

LoisHosking

Feb

24

9.15am

IanMcMillan

JonathanChong

Feb

24

11.00am

MarjorieBedford

JanClear

Feb

24

4.30pm

MarkEaston

Feb

24

7.00pm

GailIrvine

Mar

3

8.00am

KayeMackinnon

Mar

3

9.15am

GlennLaub

LaurelMuir

JitTan MichaelPatterson JudyLowe GaelOBrien

Mar

3

11.00am

BevRichardson

GeraldineFleming

Mar

3

4.30pm

HeatherHon

Mar

3

7.00pm

BelindaClear

Mar

10

8.00am

MargaretDuncan

Mar

10

9.15am

SueMorgan

MargaretFraser

Mar

10

11.00am

BarbaraKrieger

GraemeFrecker

Mar

10

4.30pm

BelindaChung

Mar

10

7.00pm

DougNewberry

Mar

17

8.00am

RossMackinnon

Mar

17

9.15am

IanMcMillan

JonathanChong

Mar

17

11.00am

KenDevos

BeverlyMcGlead

JohnHurst ShirleyHarding MarjorieBedford

Mar

17

4.30pm

MarkEaston

Mar

17

7.00pm

KayeMorgan

Mar

24

8.00am

LoisHosking

Mar

24

9.15am

GlennLaub

LaurelMuir

Mar

24

11.00am

JanClear

BevRichardson

Mar

24

4.30pm

GailIrvine

Mar

24

7.00pm

BelindaClear

Mar

31

10.00am

JitTan

MichaelPatterson

JudyLowe GaelOBrien KayeMackinnon SueMorgan

Apr

7

8.00am

MargaretDuncan

Apr

7

9.15am

GeraldineFleming

HeatherHon

BarbaraKrieger MargaretFraser GraemeFrecker IanMcMillan

Apr

7

11.00am

KenDevos

DougNewberry

Apr

7

4.30pm

BelindaChung

Apr

7

7.00pm

JohnHurst

The statement of duties is at the EldersDuties page.

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