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| == JohnHurst contribution to discussion day, 25 Oct 2014 == | == JohnHurst == contribution to discussion day, 25 Oct 2014 |
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| === Background === | = Background = |
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| Statement of UCA Theology about Marriage Acknowledge Disagreements Informed and Faithful discussion Marriage Service liturgy is starting point |
* Statement of UCA Theology about Marriage * Acknowledge Disagreements * Informed and Faithful discussion * Marriage Service liturgy is starting point |
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| === 1. The Gathering === | = 1. The Gathering = |
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| Marriage service is a service of worship | * Marriage service is a service of worship * Also a witness to promises and commitment |
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| Also a witness to promises and commitment | == Doctrine == |
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| ==== Doctrine ==== | * Creation - marriage is the Christian context for procreation * Fall - marriages do fail * levels of failure: human joy, human sin, human brokenness * Redemption - marriages can be repaired * if not, people can be repaired * divorce and remarriage? |
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| Creation - marriage is the Christian context for procreation | == Practical Considerations == |
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| Fall - marriages do fail * levels of failure: human joy, human sin, human brokenness |
* divorce is a remedy, not an intrinsic good * to lose sight of the theology of marriage is to lose sight of the Xian view of marriage * NOT Xian!: * hostility towards sex * assumption of perfect innocence * pessimism about or rejection of marriage |
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| Redemption - marriages can be repaired * if not, people can be repaired * divorce and remarriage? ==== Practical Considerations ==== divorce is a remedy, not an intrinsic good to lose sight of the theology of marriage is to lose sight of the Xian view of marriage NOT Xian!: * hostility towards sex * assumption of perfect innocence * pessimism about or rejection of marriage ==== Same Sex Marriage ==== |
== Same Sex Marriage == |
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| === 2. The Declaration of Purpose === | = 2. The Declaration of Purpose = |
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| ==== Biblical Foundation ==== | == Biblical Foundation == |
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| Draws heavily upon Genesis | * Draws heavily upon Genesis * A profound document - how do we interpret it? Stumbling block, or Milestone, for the human journey? * Adam and Eve * Women as property, cultural issues |
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| A profound document - how do we interpret it? Stumbling block, or Milestone, for the human journey? | == Sexual Faithfulness == |
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| Adam and Eve | * Xian view: Marriage or Celibacy (celibacy better!) Are these the only two? * Does marriage as "full expression of physical love" (i.e., "good sex") mean that other forms of sex are bad? |
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| Women as property, cultural issues | == De-facto hetereo- and homo- partnerships == |
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| ==== Sexual Faithfulness ==== | * Is faithfulness possible? Are these fruitful relationships? Is it about "what's in a name?" |
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| Xian view: Marriage or Celibacy (celibacy better!) Are these the only two? Does marriage as "full expression of physical love" (i.e., "good sex") mean that other forms of sex are bad? ==== De-facto hetereo- and homo- partnerships ==== Is faithfulness possible? Are these fruitful relationships? Is it about "what's in a name?" ==== Children and the Purpose of Marriage ==== |
== Children and the Purpose of Marriage == |
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| === 3. The Word === | = 3. The Word = |
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| === 4. The Marriage === | = 4. The Marriage = |
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| === 6. The Blessing === | = 6. The Blessing = |
Discussion Page on Marriage
JohnHurst
contribution to discussion day, 25 Oct 2014
Background
- Statement of UCA Theology about Marriage
- Acknowledge Disagreements
- Informed and Faithful discussion
- Marriage Service liturgy is starting point
- The Gathering
- Declaration of Purpose
- The Word
- The Marriage
- Prayers
- The Blessing
Here tackle just the first two.
1. The Gathering
- Marriage service is a service of worship
- Also a witness to promises and commitment
Doctrine
- Creation - marriage is the Christian context for procreation
- Fall - marriages do fail
- levels of failure: human joy, human sin, human brokenness
- Redemption - marriages can be repaired
- if not, people can be repaired
- divorce and remarriage?
Practical Considerations
- divorce is a remedy, not an intrinsic good
- to lose sight of the theology of marriage is to lose sight of the Xian view of marriage
- NOT Xian!:
- hostility towards sex
- assumption of perfect innocence
- pessimism about or rejection of marriage
Same Sex Marriage
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Yes |
No |
Creation |
humans have "hardwired nature" |
God created man and woman |
Fallenness |
all are fallen, none are perfect |
same-sex is intrinsically fallen |
Redemption |
healing and transforming |
healing and transforming ( ! ) |
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loving relationships reflect a loving God |
discipline of forgiveness |
2. The Declaration of Purpose
Biblical Foundation
- Draws heavily upon Genesis
- A profound document - how do we interpret it? Stumbling block, or Milestone, for the human journey?
- Adam and Eve
- Women as property, cultural issues
Sexual Faithfulness
- Xian view: Marriage or Celibacy (celibacy better!) Are these the only two?
- Does marriage as "full expression of physical love" (i.e., "good sex") mean that other forms of sex are bad?
De-facto hetereo- and homo- partnerships
- Is faithfulness possible? Are these fruitful relationships? Is it about "what's in a name?"
Children and the Purpose of Marriage
Anglican Prayer Book |
Uniting Church |
1. birth and nurture of children |
1. mutual comfort and support |
2. safe outlet for lust, NO fornication |
2. safe outlet for lust, NO fornication |
3. mutual comfort and support |
3. birth and nurture of children |
Child rearing has been decoupled from marriage through the (birth control) pill.
3. The Word
4. The Marriage
5. Prayers